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Friday, January 12, 2007

secularist debunk



Within the secularist movement it is a common argument that because the word God is not found anywhere in the United states Constitution the framers did not want religion to influence public policy nor that God/religion was a decisive factor in the formation of the Constitution of the United States.

It is a fact that the WORD God is not found in the US Constitution. However that by no means substantiates that God is not found in the US constitution.

A simplistic response to the above assumption is that the framers of our Constitution did not want America to become a theocracy defined: (a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.) They did not believe in a theocratic state. The framers of our Constitution did not want clergymen to pick Presidents and set government policy. This in no way, however, is to say that they saw no role for God or religion in government.

To flush out the flaw in a secularist thought process, as stated in my first paragraph, we have to turn to science. Most people would not consider Charles Darwin, the author of “On the Origin of Species” 1859, to be someone important in order to understand the U.S. Constitution. The fact is it is Darwin that designed the framework for how secularists see the constitution. In fact a case could be made that he has had a greater or equal impact on the Constitution as the delegates at the constitutional convention! The reason is simple, Darwin changed the way many see the Constitution. The dominant legal philosophy in the United States today is secularism. To the secularist the existence of God is irrelevant when understanding government and therefore you read the Constitution in a way that is totally foreign to its framers. It is important to remember that when the Constitution was written, the only possible explanation for the existence of the Universe was special creation. Therefore, all of the delegates at the Philadelphia convention were creationists of one form or another. Secularism defined: (the belief that religion should not be involved with the ordinary social and political activities of a country) did not even exist in 1787. So to assume that because the WORD God can not be found in our constitution we are to conclude the framers never intended God or religion to be an influence government is fundamentally incorrect.

Generally, the word "God" will appear in two places in most constitutions, in the preamble and the religion clauses in the bill of rights. For example, the word "God" appears in the preamble in eight state constitutions. In four states, the "Supreme Ruler of the Universe" is used instead. By far, the most popular divine reference in a preamble is "Almighty God." This appears in the preamble of 30 state constitutions. So we must assume that based on secularist theory of if the word God can not be found in United states Constitution the framers did not want religion to influence public policy nor that religion was a decisive factor in the formation of the Constitution of the United States, the opposite is true, meaning that based on the above facts concerning the word God in 30 states preamble, they all acknowledge and accept the importance of God and religion as an influencer on government and policy. Secularists hang their hat on being of an open minded persuasion. If that is reality than they must not turn a blind eye to what the framers said themselves:

George Washington’s Proclamation to the American people after congress completed it’s work on the 1st amendment: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor”

John Adams: “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Charles Carroll - signer of the Declaration of Independence
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

You can not summize that the absence of the word God is to conclude that God and religion were not instrumental in the construction of the constitution and our government as evidence by the Constitutional Convention of 1787, where James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Bible, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jake, this is an awesome blog. I will be passing it on to several women...for their men folk....

Anonymous said...

I like the systematic logic. You don't have to use a man's name to know that he has influenced your life, just as you don't have to acknowledge God to see His handprints on your life.
Good post
iMap

SPARKY said...

did u write this?

HOOKM14 said...

yep...

phillycheese said...

great post bro. like we discussed on the phone. these guys cut their own legs out from under themselves and have nothing left to stand on. It's logical positivism all over again.

n2J said...

So I’m reading this post objectively for what it is. There are a couple things that strike me as compelling.

(1) The part of GW’s quote, “…to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” This is the “father” of our country. He is the first elected President of these United States of America. It appears reasonable to me that his beliefs and opinions would necessarily reflect that of the society that elected him. Now, I admittedly am no great history buff of our country. I do not know the “approval rating” Mr. Washington held before and during his presidency. Still, he is easily the most recognizable and famous individual to ever be a citizen of our nation and these are his direct words. The recognition of the Almighty God and the profound meaning of that entire quote, if nothing else, should give one to pause.
(2) Charles Carroll (whom I have never heard of) as a signer of the Declaration of Independence, has far more significance in terms of his opinions, beliefs and ability to shed light on the intention of our founding fathers than any of us who sit here today and attempt to discern what the intent of these men “may have been” as they formed our great nation…which, let us admit, only comes under question when one is trying to change the originally founded, socially accepted and traditionally honored principals to something else in order to match his or her individual belief or desire. He states, “Without morals a republic cannot subsist…they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.” Again, a very profound statement. For without morals, where are we? Is it really the intent of our founders to establish a society where the moral truth is based on each individual’s opinion or designed to fluctuate here or there based on the current public opinion. I think not. It seems more appropriate to consider that our founding fathers desired to create a nation where the “rules” for a free society are not subject to the ebb and flow of society’s moral code but rather founded on a basis that is true yesterday, today and tomorrow. If not the morals of the Almighty God…then what morals were intended to guide our country? The moral of “it’s ok if I’m not hurting anyone” or the moral of “I’m free to do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want…and so on.” How are these morals defined? It appears to me that the further away we distance our country from God, the further we are as a nation from the intent of those who, in fact, originally founded the country. Read what John Adams says, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

It seems to me that you have to fight pretty hard to get God out of the foundation of our nation…and once it is accomplished…it probably isn’t a nation worth founding. You can quote ME on that.

HOOKM14 said...

n2j, very well said. Thank you for the insight. Very valuable.










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